How Dark Seer and Timbersaw perform as teammates in Dota 2 7.41f, from ranked matches.
In Dota 2 7.41f, Dark Seer and Timbersaw win 44.29% of ranked matches when playing on the same team, over 4,157 matches.
Drafting both of these heroes usually forces one into a less effective role. Both Dark Seer and Timbersaw thrive as space-creating offlaners who need farm and levels to start dominating the map. When they're on the same team, one is inevitably starved of resources, which delays their key timings and reduces their overall impact. Their abilities also lack a strong connection. Timbersaw is already highly mobile with Timber Chain, so Surge doesn't provide the same value it would for a slower hero. Similarly, Dark Seer's Wall of Replica wants a hard-hitting right-clicker to create a powerful illusion from, and Timbersaw simply isn't that kind of core. They end up competing for the same job without helping each other do it better.
How this pairing performs across skill brackets — the duo's team win rate in recent ranked matches, split by average match rank. Ranks with too few recent matches are omitted. These rows use the last 30 days of quality-filtered ranked matches, all patches in that span combined — a wider window than the patch-scoped count above, so the per-rank match totals can exceed it.
| Rank | Team win rate | Matches |
|---|---|---|
| Crusader & Archon | 38.52% | 122 |
This duo's team win rate in each recent balance patch — whether the pairing is trending up or down. Patches without enough matches are omitted.
| Patch | Team win rate | Change | Matches |
|---|---|---|---|
| 7.41f | 44.29% | ▲ +1.1pp | 4,157 |
| 7.41e | 43.20% | ▼ -0.2pp | 10,871 |
| 7.41d | 43.41% | ▼ -1.5pp | 8,015 |
| 7.41c | 44.90% | — | 3,116 |
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Data updated Oct 5, 2026.