How Dark Seer and Timbersaw perform as teammates in Dota 2 7.41e, from ranked matches.
As teammates
Together 43.68%
Win rate when Dark Seer and Timbersaw are on the same team, over 87 ranked matches (7.41e).
In Dota 2 7.41e, Dark Seer and Timbersaw win 43.68% of ranked matches when playing on the same team, over 87 matches.
Small sample: this pairing has only 87 ranked matches in the current window, so its win rate will swing more than deep-sample pairings as new games come in.
Why this works
Drafting both of these heroes usually forces one into a less effective role. Both Dark Seer and Timbersaw thrive as space-creating offlaners who need farm and levels to start dominating the map. When they're on the same team, one is inevitably starved of resources, which delays their key timings and reduces their overall impact. Their abilities also lack a strong connection. Timbersaw is already highly mobile with Timber Chain, so Surge doesn't provide the same value it would for a slower hero. Similarly, Dark Seer's Wall of Replica wants a hard-hitting right-clicker to create a powerful illusion from, and Timbersaw simply isn't that kind of core. They end up competing for the same job without helping each other do it better.
Dark Seer + Timbersaw across patches
This duo's team win rate in each recent balance patch — whether the pairing is trending up or down. Patches without enough matches are omitted.
Patch
Team win rate
Change
Matches
7.41e early
43.68%
▲ +0.3pp
87
7.41d
43.41%
▼ -1.5pp
7,155
7.41c
44.90%
▲ +1.3pp
3,116
7.41b
43.65%
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2,566
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Do Dark Seer and Timbersaw work well together in Dota 2?
As teammates, Dark Seer and Timbersaw win 43.68% of ranked matches in patch 7.41e (87 matches) — below the 50% baseline for a duo.
How many matches back the Dark Seer + Timbersaw number?
87 quality-filtered ranked matches from patch 7.41e, refreshed as new matches are ingested daily. This pairing is below our 100-match deep-sample bar, so expect the number to swing more than usual.