How Phoenix and Timbersaw perform as teammates in Dota 2 7.41f, from ranked matches.
In Dota 2 7.41f, Phoenix and Timbersaw win 46.19% of ranked matches when playing on the same team, over 8,463 matches.
Thinking you have an unkillable front line with these two often feels like a trap. The reality is the pair is missing a critical piece, since neither Phoenix nor Timbersaw provides reliable lockdown. An enemy hero can often disengage by simply walking away, as Timbersaw has no hard stuns and Phoenix’s control is conditional. During Supernova, Timbersaw is a poor defender of the egg; he can’t stop enemies from focusing it down with right-clicks. Both heroes want to create chaos in the middle of a fight, but they end up occupying similar space without enabling each other, leaving the team desperate for catch from other roles.
How this pairing performs across skill brackets — the duo's team win rate in recent ranked matches, split by average match rank. Ranks with too few recent matches are omitted. These rows use the last 30 days of quality-filtered ranked matches, all patches in that span combined — a wider window than the patch-scoped count above, so the per-rank match totals can exceed it.
| Rank | Team win rate | Matches |
|---|---|---|
| Crusader & Archon | 48.75% | 240 |
| Legend & Ancient | 45.78% | 332 |
| Divine & Immortal | 46.85% | 143 |
This duo's team win rate in each recent balance patch — whether the pairing is trending up or down. Patches without enough matches are omitted.
| Patch | Team win rate | Change | Matches |
|---|---|---|---|
| 7.41f | 46.19% | ▲ +1.5pp | 8,463 |
| 7.41e | 44.71% | ▲ +0.7pp | 28,836 |
| 7.41d | 44.00% | ▼ -1.0pp | 29,516 |
| 7.41c | 44.96% | — | 15,596 |
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Data updated Oct 5, 2026.