How Timbersaw and Venomancer perform as teammates in Dota 2 7.41e, from ranked matches.
In Dota 2 7.41e, Timbersaw and Venomancer win 43.71% of ranked matches when playing on the same team, over 469 matches.
Stacking up two primary magic damage dealers makes the enemy's item choices too easy. A single Pipe of Insight or even a few Glimmer Capes across their team will heavily reduce the impact of both heroes. The draft also lacks reliable stuns. Venomancer brings a lot of slows with Venomous Gale, but that's not enough to hold a target still for Timbersaw to connect with a full combo of Whirling Death and Chakram. Mobile heroes can often survive the initial poison and simply walk out of Timbersaw's effective range, leaving you without the kill pressure needed to get ahead.
This problem gets worse as the game goes on. Timbersaw wants to be a durable front-liner who zips around a fight, while Venomancer wants to apply his Poison Nova and kite from a safe distance. Their fight plans are opposed. After a big Poison Nova, the enemy team is low but not dead, and Timbersaw isn't equipped to chase down and finish off multiple spread-out targets. The enemy can group up, heal through the damage over time, and focus down one of you before your damage sticks.
How this pairing performs across skill brackets — the duo's team win rate in recent ranked matches, split by average match rank. Ranks with too few recent matches are omitted. These rows use the last 30 days of quality-filtered ranked matches, all patches in that span combined — a wider window than the patch-scoped count above, so the per-rank match totals can exceed it.
| Rank | Team win rate | Matches |
|---|---|---|
| Herald & Guardian | 39.60% | 202 |
| Crusader & Archon | 43.36% | 512 |
| Legend & Ancient | 39.53% | 387 |
| Divine & Immortal | 39.07% | 151 |
This duo's team win rate in each recent balance patch — whether the pairing is trending up or down. Patches without enough matches are omitted.
| Patch | Team win rate | Change | Matches |
|---|---|---|---|
| 7.41e | 43.71% | ▲ +1.9pp | 469 |
| 7.41d | 41.82% | ▼ -0.4pp | 44,701 |
| 7.41c | 42.24% | ▼ -0.1pp | 22,577 |
| 7.41b | 42.31% | — | 24,680 |
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Data updated Aug 11, 2026.