How Queen of Pain and Timbersaw perform as teammates in Dota 2 7.41e, from ranked matches.
In Dota 2 7.41e, Queen of Pain and Timbersaw win 37.79% of ranked matches when playing on the same team, over 569 matches.
Combining their damage is difficult because Queen of Pain wants to instantly delete a hero with Sonic Wave, while Timbersaw wants a long, drawn-out brawl where he can grind people down. This creates a core conflict in teamfights. QoP doesn't get the hard lockdown she needs from Timber to guarantee her combo, and he doesn't benefit from her blink-in, burst, blink-out style, as he’s often left alone to face the enemy team. Their damage types also overlap heavily, making item choices against them straightforward for the enemy.
This problem gets worse as the game progresses. An enemy team facing both heroes knows that building magic resistance is the top priority. A single Pipe of Insight can blunt the offensive power of two cores at once. Queen of Pain will find her full combo isn't enough to secure a kill, and Timbersaw will struggle to finish off targets that can survive the initial burst. This forces the rest of the team to provide all the physical damage and lockdown, creating a very predictable and inflexible draft.
How this pairing performs across skill brackets — the duo's team win rate in recent ranked matches, split by average match rank. Ranks with too few recent matches are omitted. These rows use the last 30 days of quality-filtered ranked matches, all patches in that span combined — a wider window than the patch-scoped count above, so the per-rank match totals can exceed it.
| Rank | Team win rate | Matches |
|---|---|---|
| Herald & Guardian | 43.37% | 196 |
| Crusader & Archon | 36.51% | 578 |
| Legend & Ancient | 38.45% | 567 |
| Divine & Immortal | 37.50% | 240 |
This duo's team win rate in each recent balance patch — whether the pairing is trending up or down. Patches without enough matches are omitted.
| Patch | Team win rate | Change | Matches |
|---|---|---|---|
| 7.41e | 37.79% | ▼ -3.2pp | 569 |
| 7.41d | 40.95% | ▼ -0.6pp | 58,110 |
| 7.41c | 41.57% | ▼ -1.5pp | 33,086 |
| 7.41b | 43.09% | — | 29,165 |
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Data updated Aug 11, 2026.