How Timbersaw and Viper perform as teammates in Dota 2 7.41e, from ranked matches.
In Dota 2 7.41e, Timbersaw and Viper win 40.77% of ranked matches when playing on the same team, over 363 matches.
Struggling for farm and map control is common with this pairing. Both Timbersaw and Viper function as durable, space-creating cores who want to play in the same forward areas during the mid-game, which can starve one of them of resources. Their damage profiles are also very similar. Since both heroes rely heavily on magic damage to kill targets, an enemy team can build a single Pipe of Insight and feel much safer against your two main threats. Even Viper’s kit feels at odds with Timbersaw; Nethertoxin is designed to break passives, which is exactly how you'd shut down a hero reliant on Reactive Armor. They end up stepping on each other's toes more than helping.
How this pairing performs across skill brackets — the duo's team win rate in recent ranked matches, split by average match rank. Ranks with too few recent matches are omitted. These rows use the last 30 days of quality-filtered ranked matches, all patches in that span combined — a wider window than the patch-scoped count above, so the per-rank match totals can exceed it.
| Rank | Team win rate | Matches |
|---|---|---|
| Herald & Guardian | 45.69% | 232 |
| Crusader & Archon | 43.58% | 374 |
| Legend & Ancient | 37.55% | 245 |
This duo's team win rate in each recent balance patch — whether the pairing is trending up or down. Patches without enough matches are omitted.
| Patch | Team win rate | Change | Matches |
|---|---|---|---|
| 7.41e | 40.77% | ▼ -2.7pp | 363 |
| 7.41d | 43.47% | ▼ -0.2pp | 36,073 |
| 7.41c | 43.70% | ▼ -0.7pp | 16,068 |
| 7.41b | 44.38% | — | 14,258 |
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Data updated Aug 12, 2026.